Introverted Tech Expert Goes Extra Mile to Find His Podcasting Voice

Jim James (00:00)
Now, if you're an introvert and you're wondering, could you possibly have a podcast or be a guest on a podcast? My guest today is going to explain to you how he managed to overcome being an introvert and really embrace podcasting to help build his ICT business. Peter Banigo, welcome to the show.

Peter Banigo (00:24)
Thank you, Jim, and glad to be here.

Jim James (00:29)
Well, for those of you that don't know Peter, he's in a place actually where I grew up when I was younger. He's in Nigeria today. And I was there when I was eight years old, but Peter's there just visiting his mom, but he's normally based in Leicester. So his business Target ICT is UK based, but he's joining me here from Nigeria. So Peter, we're gonna talk today about how you're getting your own

personal

ICT consultancy noticed. So it's really good lessons for people that are building their own business brand because you've got some learnings from Facebook and skills and sort of exercises that worked in other businesses you ran that have been not as successful with the new business. So we're going to dive into that and we're going to look also into how you have been doing content creation with articles as well. And the successes that you've had there.

So Peter, first of all, explain a little bit about your business, and then we're going to talk about how you've been getting your business noticed.

Peter Banigo (01:39)
All right, so Target ICT is basically a business I started to focus on what I'm best at, which is tech. Because when I started my previous business, I started my first business in 2010. I've started a couple of things. I've done procurement, I've done e-commerce. At a point, I had like four or five businesses running at the same time. But one thing I always got, one inquiry I got from my friends doing business with me

was they always asked about, okay, for the food business, the biggest part of the food business was, the biggest part of the food business was a portal I built where most of the orders came in through that portal. And people always asked, oh, how do you do these things? The processes in the business were always so like, the last food business had about four branches. The

recipes, everything were just the same everywhere. I don't know how to cook and so you can imagine things like that. So when I kept getting those inquiries on the tech parts of everything, that's when I started Target ICT to help other businesses improve, do more with technology.

Jim James (02:48)
really interesting that you found a market or a market found you eventually. In spite of it, like so many of us as entrepreneurs, we start businesses and eventually the right business finds us, which is fantastic. But it's a competitive industry, Peter, being a service provider in tech. So how have you gone about differentiating yourself so that beyond that initial set of referrals

Peter Banigo (02:54)
I'm out.

Definitely.

Jim James (03:18)
you've been getting people coming to you.

Peter Banigo (03:20)
All right, so one thing I, one complaint I got from a lot of people working with other tech providers was they had to listen to and process a lot of tech jargon. So a lot of times you're working with a technical person, they say these big words, ROI, SAP, this, that, that. And with communication, because one of the first skills I learned was marketing, writing copy for my businesses, my adverts and cool.

I realized that when you're communicating, when you're writing, some people will read, if you use these big words, they have to stop. It stops the flow. They stop and they try to understand what you're saying there. So it's caused a lot of conflict. A lot of times you're dealing with a person and you don't even know what they are doing. You don't even know what they just hope that they do. Hope that they mean well for your business and everything. So that's one thing we differentiate ourselves from others.

We try to avoid jargon, we try to explain everything at the most basic level. So, okay, if we are doing this for you, you'll be able to, okay, grasp, okay, what's going to happen? There is no big technical terms, masking what we're actually doing to make it look more complicated or stuff like that. So I think that's one thing that really differentiates and what people have always been happy about.

Jim James (04:46)
That's really wonderful. And on another show, we've been talking about keeping things simple. And with Ben Goodman, who's just written a book called Simple Up and just about how much friction we create in the transaction because we overcomplicate in our desire to maybe look smart or yeah, that's right, or overcome our own insecurity about why someone should buy from us.

Peter Banigo (05:08)
Smuts. Yeah. Ha ha ha.

Jim James (05:14)
You know, we position ourselves in such a way that we may be, you know, incomprehensible, especially when it comes to tech. It's really, really good. What kind of content were you then creating, Peter? Because obviously if people talk to you, they would hear, you know, you bringing a simplicity and a clarity to the problems that they were facing. What other platforms and content types have you been using to share your message?

Peter Banigo (05:44)
All right. So first of all, I started sharing blog posts. So typically take a problem a business is facing, try to explain it, make it easy and share. Then recently it is 2024. So two years ago, 2022, we started sharing it on a podcast. We started a podcast too for the business. So same thing. We just take a concept and

break it down.

Jim James (06:16)
Peter, now starting a podcast is not easy. I mean, I've now been doing this for a couple of years and I have a couple of shows under my belt. It's a lot of work. Just take us through the process then of why you decided to do a podcast instead of doing articles. Because it's actually a big leap to start and then to keep it going. And you've got 59 episodes now of your podcast.

Peter Banigo (06:45)
Alright,

I think the process of it, okay, we started writing the blog posts, articles and all that. Then during the pandemic, I discovered podcasts, you know, stuck in the house all the time, no one around and everything. So I discovered podcasts and I realized I actually used to listen to everything. Like I'll sit down, maybe I'm walking or I'm doing something around the house. I'll listen to a whole 45 minutes, a whole one hour. I would actually go to the links they mentioned.

I actually researched on the people talking and I'm like, okay, this seems like a better way to share this blog post because these days we realize people have very short attention spans and I feel even me too. I feel it's on podcasts, my attention span works better on podcasts than on articles. I just read an article halfway and I drop it. So after that was 2020, I discovered podcasts. Then in 2022,

I decided to start the podcast. And like you said, it was actually difficult because I did the first episode and I abandoned it for a couple of months because I didn't want to, I don't know, I just, okay. Since I was young, I've really been, I grew up, I didn't really have friends growing up. I was just me and books. I always read books all my life. So,

getting... all the businesses I started before this, I would always be at the background. I always have a partner making the talking and all that. I'll just do ads or do things that won't have me come out or have me come out in public. So when I put out that first episode, I'm like, oh my God, everybody's going to hear my

Jim James (08:42)
And yet, Peter, you're a handsome young man, but also as anyone listening to this can hear, Peter, you have a great voice for radio, right? Really, really great. But you were an introvert, you said. So it was a big emotional challenge to overcome. How did you overcome that? Because I think there are many people thinking, oh, I'd like to either be a guest on a podcast.

Peter Banigo (08:49)
Okay.

Cheers.

Jim James (09:04)
which is frankly, I think a great way to start with podcasts before trying to create a show. But then to actually be hosting is another challenge again, because you have to take responsibility for the conversation and so on. How did you overcome that, let's call it an emotional, a self-confidence issue? How did you get back after the couple of months?

Peter Banigo (09:28)
All right, so after the couple of months, I'm a member of Toastmasters. So I joined Toastmasters in 2016. Called the same thing. I knew as a business person, I need to communicate. I need to talk to people and I really hated doing that. So I, one of my Toastmasters projects in, that was level four, I carried in my pathway was starting a podcast. This was after I had abandoned the first episode. So,

I went through the distance and part of the requirements was having, I can't remember, is it four or ten? I can't remember how many, I think four episodes. You should have four episodes live for them to move, for you to move to the next level on the pathway. So I just, okay, I took my podcast and said, okay, let me just bring it back up and continue use this as an excuse to continue with it. And it's actually fun.

Jim James (10:24)
It's amazing fun having a podcast, right? You get to meet lots of interesting people as you and I are doing today, Peter. So it's called Tech Your Business. You've got 59 episodes now, which is going to tech your business. It's available on all players and you've got the tech as a website. How is the podcast helping you, Peter, in terms of brand awareness and generating leads?

Peter Banigo (10:30)
Yeah.

business.

All right, so in terms of generating leads, one thing I've realized, okay, first of all, the podcast was started to share, like I said, share information, share this thing, things and all that. Then when I started having guests, I realized being in that situation where I'm talking to a person, okay, it's tech your business. So we have business owners and other tech experts coming to show how you can use tech in your business. So I'm talking to a fellow business owner.

On a normal day, I would have had to put out an ad, wait for them to come on a sales call and then try to convince them or I would have had to maybe send a cold email and go through a gatekeeper to get through to them. But these people actually email, they come to you and they talk to you. And one thing I don't really like selling there, but what I do is most of the time I'm talking to you and I realize you have an issue. I just give a solution.

I give a solution, okay, this thing, oh, it can work better this way. And now they come back, oh, this is nice, this works for me, oh, this is this. And I've had like maybe two or three people who have become clients out of this and people I've talked to just from things like that. So it's been amazing, actually.

Jim James (12:06)
Yeah, well, that's one of the main ways that people talk about getting podcasts to be part of their sales funnel is that people would love to come and talk to you on the mic in a way that they wouldn't come and talk to you if they thought they were being sold to, right? Yeah. And so, Peter, that's wonderful. And what about using the show content? Are you then repurposing the content from your shows into blogs, for example, or on social media?

Peter Banigo (12:21)
So yeah

Um, yeah, we, yes, we are doing that. So we do shots. We do short videos for each episode. Then, um, currently the websites for the podcast is just like a link tree. So I did Apple post this, so there is less to manage because I realized everything you start brings a lot of, um, takes up a lot of your time. Exactly.

Jim James (12:58)
Yes, complexity. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it brings you up there. Yeah.

Peter Banigo (13:03)
So, the website, we just made the links, just the Spotify link, the YouTube link, just that. So for now, we started a blog post on my main business website, but we stopped for a while because we want to migrate everything to the podcast website. So it's still going to be like the link tree, but we would have a blog on it just for SEO purposes.

Jim James (13:27)
Right, and Linktree, that's link, L-I-N-K-T-R, and then it's a dash, and then it's.EE. And I have one of those as well, Linktree accounts, and you can basically create one place for all of your URLs. So it becomes like a one destination for you and all of your assets, websites and podcasts, and in my case, books and courses. All...

Peter Banigo (13:31)
E E. Yes. Exactly.

Yeah.

Jim James (13:57)
under Linktree. So it's a really, really useful website to centralize all of your digital assets. So thanks for raising that, Peter. We haven't really talked about that. It sounds as though you've been making great headway in the podcast space and you have been building this new business. You've had multiple businesses before. Is there something that you've learned, Peter, where you could share

a miss, you know, something you tried that didn't work out. Now that you're building the ICT business and for those people that can't see Peter, he has the hat on. He has his very nice targetict.co.uk hat and a matching t-shirt. So he has turned up on the video podcast looking the part. Peter, so you're a branded guest. Fantastic.

Peter Banigo (14:41)
I'm gonna go.

I'm going to go to bed.

I'm out.

Jim James (14:52)
What about is there something that you've done that you could share that hasn't really worked out quite as

planned?

Peter Banigo (14:58)
All right, so I think one thing I'll share is when I said my first, in fact, everything that started before Target ICT, I would always start something. Then you either use Google ads or Facebook ads and that's all. So like for the food business, I had, I had my this thing. I'll just get a very high definition photo of the food items we cook. Put something under,

and people put the ads out by lunchtime and you just get sales. We used to have like 10 times returns on our ad spend then for that. So when I started Target ICT, I'm like, okay, I can just start this. I can use ads too and then push this. I ended up spending thousands of pounds and I didn't even get anything. And I'm wondering, isn't it the same adverts? What's wrong?

Jim James (15:47)
Yeah. I guess there's a different kind of bites, isn't it really? A few, yeah. So, so that's interesting. So really the, the different business responded differently to the same marketing strategy, which, which reminds us to be really sort of listening to.

Peter Banigo (15:54)
True.

a little differently.

Jim James (16:13)
Yeah, the needs of each individual business, you can't necessarily transfer the same strategy from one business to another. Peter Benigo, you're there in Africa today, in Nigeria today on the West coast, but you're normally based in Leicester. Plainly you've succeeded because you've got through the first five years, Target ICT, you know, you're across the early years, which are the hardest. Well, what would you say has been the secret

Peter Banigo (16:25)
Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Jim James (16:43)
to your success? Plainly, it wasn't the advertising maybe some of the podcast but that's relatively new what would you say is the secret to your success in terms of building the company now?

Peter Banigo (16:56)
I think one thing that's really worked has been, and I think this one thing that I've done in everything I have, in every business I've done, it has been, what's the word, exceeding expectations of our clients, exceeding expectations of the customer. So when we have something to do, always make sure the customer ends up very, very happy. And when you have very, very happy customers, you don't even have to most of the time ask them to call others.

They said, oh, I had this problem because I recently had a client. She has she had has a consulting company. She had a lot of issues with her. Everything she had a couple of websites, everything, everything was everything was faulty and she had worked with different people. They kept piling and just making it harder for her. So I met her on a Facebook group, complained about it. And I'm like, OK, what's the issue we talked and then. We sorted out everything

in about a week or so. First of all, she was on a bigger hosting plan than she was on a dedicated server when she was meant to be on maybe a shared or reseller server. They just oversold her so yeah, so she gets them. So things like that, so we cleaned out everything, made everything work perfectly and she's always, like she's always so excited. Sometimes I'm here, someone messages me on WhatsApp and they're like, oh.

I got your message from this person and she says, oh, she really helped out in this and this and it's always, it feels good. It feels good. So I think good work exceeding expectations has been what has really helped.

Jim James (18:29)
And it sounds as though engaging with people in Facebook has also worked for you Peter, not advertising, but just engaging and solving people's problems before they become clients.

Peter Banigo (18:38)
Yes, yes, and most of the time I do it free,

Jim James (18:46)
You're a good man. You're a good man, but plainly, plainly you're doing enough business to keep it all going, which is, yeah, which is brilliant. Peter, if I was to ask you for a podcast or book that you'd recommend, what would that be?

Peter Banigo (18:53)
Keep everything running, yes.

One book I read and I really enjoy and I've read more than once is The Hard Thing about hard things by Ben Horowitz. So it's really it goes because a lot of books about business just a lot of them touch the surface, a lot of them make it look like a bed of roses, a lot of them just yeah, are just there but this goes really deep because into all the everything that can go wrong and still shows you that in spite of everything can still make things work

Jim James (19:38)
Okay, Ben

Horowitz, the hard thing about hard things. That's a great addition to the library for the unnoticed entrepreneur, I think. Peter, if people want to find out more about you and maybe get their hosting plan changed, where would they go?

Peter Banigo (19:40)
Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I think the way you get the most updated information is from the podcasts. So you can go on Tech Your Business podcast. The YouTube version is hosted on the company YouTube that's Target ICT Limited. So yeah, so best place where you can get up to date information, Tech From there you can link to Target ICT.

Jim James (20:23)
Okay, that's perfect. And as you can hear, you know, Peter's got a great voice for radio and he got a handsome face for TV too. Peter, it's been a pleasure. Thanks for coming on the show today and really appreciate you sharing your energy and your enthusiasm and also that you are constantly innovating. Really recognize and appreciate how you've gone from business to business and

and never stop trying to innovate and find a solution. So thank you so much for sharing that with us today.

Peter Banigo (20:56)
Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.

Jim James (20:59)
So what a pleasure to have Peter on the show. And I wanted to have him on the show because he is someone who's overcome the anxiety of talking to other people, being actually shy and hasn't just hidden behind writing articles but has realized that podcasting is really a wonderful way to connect and engage with potential customers. But also as you can hear, he's obviously grown as a

person because now he's very comfortable to come on podcasts and share his message and share his voice and his wonderful laughter as well with us today. So if you've thought about maybe getting onto podcasts, I can encourage you to think about being a guest first before you try and host because it is a lot of work, but it is a great medium for you. So until we meet again, I just encourage you to

Peter Banigo (21:30)
Hahaha

honestly.

Jim James (21:56)
keep on communicating. Please do share a review of this show if you can and share the show with a fellow entrepreneur because you might know someone like Peter who actually would love to listen to a podcast and doesn't wanna get left behind. And this podcast is all about helping the unnoticed entrepreneur to get noticed for what they do. Thank you for listening.

Peter Banigo (22:20)
Thank